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Dec. 9, 2025, 7:02 PM ESTBy Allan SmithGovs. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania and Spencer Cox of Utah are sitting for a wide-ranging interview with “Today” co-anchor Savannah Guthrie on Tuesday, as the Democratic and Republican leaders have been at the forefront of handling political violence in their states.Cox, a Republican, was widely praised for his handling of the assassination of conservative political activist Charlie Kirk in Utah in September, an event that inflamed political divides. Shapiro, a Democrat, has dealt with political violence repeatedly in his state, including the attempt on President Donald Trump’s life at a rally in Butler last year and the politically motivated firebombing of his own home this year. Shapiro had similarly received plaudits from both sides of the aisle for his handling of the aftermath of the attempt on Trump’s life.In a speech about political violence days after Kirk was assassinated, Shapiro criticized the “selective condemnation” of such attacks.“As I have made clear each and every time, this type of violence has no place in our society, regardless of what motivates it or who pulls the trigger, who throws the Molotov cocktail or who wields the weapon,” he said. “It doesn’t matter if it’s coming from one side or from the other, directed at one party or another, one person or another, it is all wrong, and it makes us all less safe.”Shapiro and Cox have built a friendship across party lines. In September, Shapiro reached out to Cox to offer any assistance he could following Kirk’s death, a person familiar with their conversation said.Allan SmithAllan Smith is a political reporter for NBC News.

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Dec. 9, 2025, 5:56 PM ESTBy Erika Edwards and Mustafa FattahDoctors, hospitals and public health departments are scrambling to ensure proper care for pregnant women and their babies following a controversial vote from Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advisers that reversed decades of standard medical practice giving newborns the hepatitis B vaccine.“We don’t really know just yet how individual hospitals and clinicians will handle this,” said Dr. Brenna Hughes, interim chair of the department of obstetrics and gynecology at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina. “It’s creating fear and distrust.”Last Friday, the CDC’s vaccine panel advised that only babies born to women who test positive for hepatitis B should get the first dose within 24 hours of delivery. The decision rolled back decades-long guidance that all newborns should be protected against the lifelong, incurable infection that can lead to liver disease and cancer. Many babies in the U.S., however, are born to women who never have the chance to be tested. A March of Dimes report published in November found that nearly a quarter of pregnant women aren’t under a doctor’s care during their first trimester, when most women are tested for hepatitis B. Dr. Steven Fleishman, president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said the hepatitis B vaccine given to newborns acts as a safety net. “If there is someone who gets exposed to hepatitis B later in pregnancy, or develops an infection later on,” Fleishman said, “the baby is protected by that vaccine.” The virus can pass from mom to baby during delivery.As of Tuesday, acting CDC director Jim O’Neill hadn’t yet signed off on the committee’s recommendation. The agency isn’t required to follow the panel’s advice, but usually does.The CDC doesn’t mandate vaccination. It recommends a schedule for children to be protected against infectious diseases. The vaccine panel regularly reviews data and makes changes to the schedule based on guidance by doctors or scientists with expertise in the subject matter.But experts said the advisory panel, stacked with members handpicked in June by Health Sec. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., failed to provide the kind of scientific evidence historically associated with the CDC to back up its reasoning. The group “has not followed the standard and transparent process that had made the advisory committee a bastion of good evidence-based decision making,” said Dr. Jason Goldman, an internal medicine doctor and president of the American College of Physicians. “Their information and decisions cannot be trusted.”The panel recommended that women who test negative for hepatitis B can decide in consultation with a health care provider whether their baby should get the birth dose. The panel’s vote to hold off the hepatitis B vaccine for babies until at least 2 months of age for the first dose if the vaccine is not given at birth was totally out of line with decades of evidence proving the shot’s safety and effectiveness, experts say. The birth dose, implemented for all babies in the early 1990s, has driven down cases of acute hepatitis B infections in children by 99%.During a call with reporters Tuesday, Dr. Aaron Milstone, a pediatrician at Johns Hopkins Medicine and member of the American Academy of Pediatrics’ committee on infectious diseases, said the fallout is “chaos and confusion” among public health experts trying to counsel clinicians on best practices, as well as doctors in exam rooms faced with worried parents.“Many physicians are working across our country in fear that doing the best thing for their patient is now at odds with information coming from what were previously trusted resources,” Dr. Sarah Nosal, president of the American Academy of Family Physicians, said during the same call. “If you have to spend 20 minutes explaining that vaccines, yes, in fact, are safe,” said Dr. Kevin Schulman, professor of medicine at Stanford Medicine, “then we’re not spending 20 minutes making sure the baby’s on the growth curve, that you’re wearing seat belts, that you’re using car seats appropriately.”Dr. Anna Lok, director of clinical hepatology and assistant dean for clinical research at the University of Michigan Medical School, said the change in guidance adds barriers for parents, especially in a chaotic delivery room. “It’s just telling the parents, we’re going to make you climb to Mount Everest in order to get your baby vaccinated,” Lok said. “Because every single step, every hurdle, is just making sure that something that should be done, doesn’t get done.” Dr. Rashmi Roa, an OB-GYN who specializes in high-risk pregnancies at UCLA Health, said nothing has changed from a medical standpoint. “Our recommendations will stay the same.”Some states are bypassing federal recommendations and instead joining forces to establish their own guidance. Dr. Naima Joseph, an OB-GYN at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, said that health officials in Massachusetts and other states have formed the Northeast Public Health Collaborative.“We have already made recommendations regarding universal birth dose hepatitis B vaccine that continues to ensure access” to newborns, she said. The measured approach isn’t expected nationwide, said Joe Zamboni, a lawyer for the nonprofit American Families for Vaccines. “I think some states will probably do it better than others,” he said.One state that worries public health experts is Florida. The state’s surgeon general, Joseph Ladapo, said in September that Florida is working to eliminate all vaccine requirements for children to attend school. The Florida Department of Health has scheduled a meeting for this Friday, Dec. 12, to discuss those requirements. A department spokeswoman told NBC News via email that the meeting will be held in Panama City and will not be available to the public online.Erika EdwardsErika Edwards is a health and medical news writer and reporter for NBC News and “TODAY.”Mustafa FattahMustafa Fattah is a medical fellow with the NBC News Health and Medical Unit. 
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Savewith a NBCUniversal ProfileCreate your free profile or log in to save this articleNov. 17, 2025, 5:00 AM ESTBy Scott BlandMore than 6 in 10 registered voters said they think “extreme political rhetoric” was an important contributor to the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk earlier this year — including majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents, according to the latest NBC News poll.The findings represent a grim milestone in America’s reckoning with growing political violence and its root causes. The survey marks the first time, across questions about five different violent incidents over 15 years of NBC News polling, that there has been cross-partisan agreement that rhetoric played an important role in an attack, as opposed to the incident having been more about the actions of a single disturbed person.Overall, 61% of respondents said they feel that “extreme political rhetoric used by some in the media and by political leaders was an important contributor” to Kirk’s killing.Another 28% said they “feel more this is an incident caused by a disturbed person.” And 4% of those who participated in the poll volunteered, when presented with those two options, that they thought it was some of both.Republicans blamed rhetoric by the widest margin, 73%-19%, but independents (53%-28%) and Democrats (54%-34%) were also much more likely to blame extreme political rhetoric as a factor than to discount it.Tyler Robinson, 22, faces murder and other charges in Utah for allegedly killing Kirk. Investigators discovered text messages Robinson sent after the shooting of Kirk in which Robinson wrote he “had enough of his hatred,” according to charging documents filed by the Utah County prosecutor.President Donald Trump and his administration have blamed the left broadly for Kirk’s assassination.“We have to talk about this incredibly destructive movement of left-wing extremism that has grown up over the last few years, and I believe is part of the reason why Charlie was killed by an assassin’s bullet,” Vice President JD Vance said while hosting Kirk’s eponymous show days after Kirk was killed.On the same show, White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller vowed to “use every resource we have” in the federal government to uproot a “vast domestic terror movement.”The investigation has not uncovered evidence linking Robinson to left-wing groups, NBC News reported in September. Robinson’s mother told law enforcement that her son “had become more political and had started to lean more to the left” in the year preceding the shooting of Kirk.NBC News has surveyed Americans’ feelings about several attacks on political figures in recent years: the shooting of then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., at an event in her district in 2011; the shooting of Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., at a baseball practice in 2017; the hammer attack of Paul Pelosi, the husband of Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., at their home in 2022; and the attempted assassination of Trump at his Florida golf course in 2024.The attempted assassination of Trump in September 2024 — the second attempt on his life in a matter of months, following the July shooting at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania — was the first time in NBC News polling that a majority of respondents overall pointed to rhetoric as an important factor in an episode of political violence.In each incident, members of the victim’s political party have been more likely to pin blame on extreme rhetoric than on just one individual. But more respondents have blamed rhetoric from political and media figures each time.The gap between Democrats and Republicans on the issue of extreme rhetoric as a factor was particularly wide in 2022, after the Pelosi attack, and in 2024, after the second attempt on Trump’s life.In 2022, 74% of Democrats said extreme political rhetoric played a role in the Pelosi attack, for which the perpetrator was also convicted on charges of attempting to kidnap the then-speaker of the House. Forty-eight percent of independents and 25% of Republicans agreed.In 2024, 76% of Republicans said rhetoric played a role in the attempted assassination of Trump, while 44% of independents and 39% of Democrats agreed.The Kirk assassination was part of a troubling string of violent and deadly attacks against political figures and institutions this year. High-profile incidents include when an arsonist set fire to Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro’s residence in April, former Minnesota state House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed in June, and a shooter fired on an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Dallas in September, killing immigrants in custody after allegedly trying to target agents.The NBC News poll surveyed 1,000 registered voters Oct. 24-28 via a mix of telephone interviews and an online survey sent via text message. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.Scott BlandScott Bland is a senior politics editor at NBC News.
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