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Oct. 4, 2025, 6:00 AM EDTBy Jared PerloEarly last week in the Chinese tech hub of Hangzhou, a slick, larger-than-life video screen beamed out four words that would drive tech giant Alibaba’s stock to historic levels and signal a shift in China’s approach to artificial intelligence: “Roadmap to Artificial Superintelligence.”During his 23-minute keynote address at the flagship Alibaba Cloud conference, Alibaba CEO Eddie Wu charted out a future featuring artificial general intelligence (AGI) and artificial superintelligence (ASI). These terms point to a theorized era in which AI becomes roughly as smart as humans (AGI) and then much, much smarter (ASI).While these terms have been tossed around Silicon Valley for years, Wu’s presentation was notable: Alibaba is now the first established Chinese tech giant to explicitly invoke AGI and ASI.“Achieving AGI — an intelligent system with general human-level cognition — now appears inevitable. Yet AGI is not the end of AI’s development, but its beginning,” Wu said. “It will march toward ASI — intelligence beyond the human, capable of self-iteration and continuous evolution.”“ASI will drive exponential technological leaps, carrying us into an unprecedented age of intelligence,” Wu said, highlighting ASI’s ability to help cure diseases, discover cleaner sources of energy and even unlock interstellar travel.The U.S. and China are the world’s leading AI powers, each with immense computing capabilities and top-tier researchers developing cutting-edge systems. Yet observers have framed the countries as having different approaches to AI, with perceptions that China focuses more on real-world AI applications.For example, commentators recently argued that Beijing is currently “winning the race for AI robots” against the U.S., as China is home to much of the world’s most advanced robotics supply chains and a growing network of robotics, or embodied AI, labs.“There’s been some commentary in Western media recently about how the U.S. is missing the point by pushing for AGI, while China is focusing solely on applications,” said Helen Toner, interim executive director of Georgetown’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology. “This is wrong.”“Some Chinese researchers and some parts of the Chinese government have been interested in AGI and superintelligence for a long time,” Toner said, though she noted this view was primarily held by smaller startups like DeepSeek.China’s push for global AI dominance04:44Afra Wang, a researcher focusing on China’s tech scene, said Alibaba’s invocation of AGI and ASI was remarkable.“This ASI narrative is definitely something new, especially among the biggest tech companies in China,” she told NBC News.Alibaba’s “roadmap to artificial superintelligence” seems to scramble mainstream perceptions. Any number of California techno-optimists, like Anthropic’s Dario Amodei or xAI’s Elon Musk, might have delivered Wu’s speech, selling a technology-enabled utopia while largely sidestepping darker questions about how humanity would co-exist with or survive an era of digital superintelligence.The concept of superintelligence has long been on the minds of — if not explicitly guiding — prominent American AI companies. For example, OpenAI released an article focused on the safe development of superintelligent AI models in May 2023. “Now is a good time to start thinking about the governance of superintelligence — future AI systems dramatically more capable than even AGI,” the statement said.The possibility of superintelligence is now even being acknowledged in Congress. On Monday, Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., and Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Ill., announced a draft bill that would, among other actions, “assist Congress in determining the potential for controlled AI systems to reach artificial superintelligence.”To some, ASI might seem like an outlandish concept when today’s AI systems fail to understand basic tennis rules, hallucinate or fabricate basic information, or do not seem to actually comprehend how the external world functions.At the same time, AI systems continue to approach and sometimes surpass human capabilities in many domains, from driving cars safely to winning international coding competitions, leaving many experts to say it’s a matter of when, not if, humans develop digital superintelligence.As the idea of superintelligence gradually enters mainstream debates, many American politicians have announced that the U.S. is in an AI race with China. The White House’s current AI manifesto is titled “Winning the AI Race: America’s AI Action Plan,” while Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, proclaimed that “as a matter of economic security, as a matter of national security, America has to beat China in the AI race.”Yet charges of an AI race are muddied by a lack of an agreed end goal and swirling definitions of AGI. At worst, experts think an unfettered race toward AGI or ASI could lead to widespread catastrophe or even the end of humanity.But there’s also plenty of skepticism around talk of AGI and ASI and whether it’s primarily for marketing purposes.Alibaba is one of China’s largest tech companies, known for providing powerful, free AI models — also called open-source models — for download. Alibaba’s Qwen model series, a competitor to models like OpenAI’s GPT-5 or Anthropic’s Claude, is the most popular open-source AI system in the world.OpenAI launches Sora 2 wth AI social media app05:48Wu announced a new series of Qwen models in his speech last week, including a model that combines text, images, video and audio capabilities.Many observers point out that narratives about a U.S.-China AI race and a resulting sprint to build AI infrastructure serve AI investors by propping up company valuations and increasing their soft power. Alibaba’s stock has soared since Wu’s speech last week, part of a larger $250 billion comeback this year that has made it China’s hottest AI company.To unlock a powerful, superintelligent future, Wu predicted that large AI models will replace existing operating systems as the link between users, software and computational power. This future network of large AI models will run on cloud computing networks like Alibaba Cloud, he said.Irene Zhang, a researcher on China’s AI ecosystem and an editor of ChinaTalk, noted the business undertones of Wu’s announcement.“This is a vision of AGI and ASI that’s directly based on Alibaba’s business model,” she said.“Alibaba Cloud dominates China’s cloud computing market, and its global market share is now bigger than Oracle’s,” she said. “Alibaba’s commercial strategy and its publicly stated views on ASI/AGI are symbiotic.”Matt Sheehan, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, agreed.“ASI is the ultimate frontier, as far as the discourse goes on AI,” Sheehan said. “It’s notable that Alibaba set this grandiose goal, but in reality, they’re selling cloud services.”Jared PerloJared Perlo is a writer and reporter at NBC News covering AI. He is currently supported by the Tarbell Center for AI Journalism.

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Oct. 5, 2025, 5:30 AM EDTBy Alexander SmithLONDON — Despite being headlined by a genuine star and staged at one of London’s premier theaters, a play about the foundation of a sprawling and troubled public service seemed unlikely to provoke night after night of standing ovations.But that’s what happened with “Nye,” an unlikely hit about the creator, and origin story, of Britain’s taxpayer-funded National Health Service.The play, written by Tim Price and directed by Rufus Norris, came at an inflection point for the NHS, as it’s known. Almost 80 years after it was founded, the medical service once touted as the envy of the world is “broken” and suffering the “biggest crisis in its history,” the government says. The crisis at this national bedrock is part of a bigger malaise at the heart of British culture: rising prices, stagnant wages and crumbling public services. “I’m terrified, not just for the NHS, but for the whole of our society,” Michael Sheen, who starred as Aneurin “Nye” Bevan, the founder of the NHS, told NBC News in an interview. “Once it’s torn down, then I guess people will think about what they’ve lost.”Michael Sheen performing in “Nye” at London’s National Theatre. Johan Persson / National TheatreSheen, 56, better known to international audiences as Tony Blair in “The Queen,” David Frost in “Frost/Nixon” and the angel Aziraphale in the Amazon Prime series “Good Omens,” has spent much of the last two years honing his portrayal of Bevan, the socialist politician who dragged himself out of Wales’ coal mines to will the NHS into existence.Though second nature to Brits, the ideal of the NHS is unfamiliar to many Americans: British people have universally free health care at the point of access — from ambulances attending car accidents to insulin for diabetes to cancer care to childbirth. Though some people do have private insurance, the idea of having to choose between illness and financial ruin is shocking in the U.K.Now the Labour Party, which created the then-radical NHS in 1948, is battling its own economic constraints and record-setting unpopularity. It has a colossal task if it is to fix the crumbling hospitals replete with overworked doctors and bed-lined corridors. Prime Minister Keir Starmer must turn around a behemoth whose budget of 200 billion English pounds ($269 billion) represents some 40% of all government spending, and whose 1.4 million employees are the world’s seventh-largest workforce. In the United States, only the Department of Defense, Walmart and Amazon outnumber it.An ambulance outside St Thomas’ Hospital in London in 2023.Belinda Jiao file / Getty ImagesThrough all this, the core NHS ideal endures. Everyone in the U.K. has a story of a relative, or themselves, receiving the type of world-class care that puts a terrifying financial strain on millions of Americans. (In the past six years, this reporter’s mother has had a single mastectomy and reconstruction, as well as three titanium plates in a shattered ankle, without having to pay a pound for the care.)But just as common are the tales of maddening, hourslong waits in overstretched emergency rooms, or weeklong delays just to see a community general practitioner. Many critics blame the sprawling crisis on years of underfunding by the now-ousted Conservative government of 2010-2024, whose response to the 2008 financial crisis was to make drastic cuts to public services.It’s perhaps unsurprising that a largely liberal London-theatergoing audience responded with applause and tears at the hagiography of Bevan at the National Theater. Though relatively unknown in wider society, admirers see Bevan as a founding father of modern Britain; his ideal of the NHS today is not just popular, it defines the country itself.“It’s far from perfect,” said Alison Ferris, 40, a nurse at a hospital in Canterbury, in southeast England. “But I do the best that I can for anyone that comes in front of me. I treat every patient like I would treat my loved ones.”Though the concept remains revered, public satisfaction in the NHS in practice cratered to 52% in 2023 from a high of 70% in 2010, according to the King’s Fund, a top think tank tracking British health care.Nye Bevan, Britain’s Minister of Health who is credited with spearheading the creation of the National Health Service, meets a patient in 1948. Edward G. Malindine / Getty Images“We have to fight for the NHS, the same as the NHS was fought for when it was created,” said Ferris’ mother, Caroline Heggie, 70, a hospital union representative, who like her daughter had come to see the last night of “Nye” at the National Theater last month. “We can’t go the way of privatization, we can’t go the way of America. That’s what we’re up against.”Like Bevan, Sheen is a Welsh firebrand unafraid to wear his leftist politics. But he also lived for 14 years in Los Angeles, so knows too well what life is like without socialized health care.“The idea of this health care system that we have here, just seemed so alien to them over there,” Sheen, who now lives back in his Welsh hometown of Port Talbot, says of his former American hosts. He says that “seeing people go into hospitals with serious injuries or illnesses, and being asked to produce their check book before they can be treated” would shock most Britons.The crisis at the NHS coincides with an uptick in hostility toward immigrants — even though they are often people’s doctors, nurses and hospital cleaners. Almost 20% of NHS staff have a non-British nationality, with Indians, Filipinos, Nigerians, Irish and Poles making up most of their number. Nigel Farage, the leader of the hard-right Reform U.K. party and an ally and friend of President Donald Trump, is leading some polls to become Britain’s next prime minister. He has become the first prospective leader to question the funding model of using taxes to fund the NHS — historically taboo.‘Britain stands at a fork in the road’: Starmer warns against rise of far-right populism01:40“It doesn’t work — it’s not working,” Farage told NBC News’ British partner Sky News in May. “We’re getting worse bang for the buck than any other country, particularly out of those European neighbours.”Opposing Farage’s proposal, however, leaves open the specter of privatization, which many say has been creeping up even before the Health and Social Care Act 2012 opened up the NHS to bids from private contractors.Farage isn’t the only person dissatisfied. Indeed, the NHS has slipped from being a world-leader on many metrics.“Corridor care” is now a year-round crisis, and the number of people waiting 12 hours or more to be admitted into an emergency room rose from 47 in summer 2015 to 74,150 this summer. Targets have lagged for years in everything from ambulance attendance times to cancer diagnoses. Meanwhile, a 7 million-strong waiting list means many people feel abandoned for months, in pain, before getting hip or knee replacement and other types of surgery.There is ample evidence to suggest that economic austerity policies imposed during 14 years of Conservative Party rule are at least partly to blame, according to Max Warner, a senior research economist at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, a London research group.“It is true that a lot of NHS performance measures over the 2010s were broadly getting worse having started off relatively well,” he said. “Although it’s worth saying that productivity did grow, so it’s a nuanced picture and causality is difficult.”The Conservatives argued that they kept NHS spending up, protecting it from the brutal cuts that crushed almost every other government department at the time. But this 2% yearly growth still fell well short of the 3.8% yearly average since the 1980s, and according to critics was insufficient to cope with an aging population and the rising prices of cutting-edge drugs.Far from the envy of the world, Britain has been scrimping by spending 37 billion pounds ($53 billion) on the health services each year, well below Germany, France and Australia, a landmark review found last year.The current Labour government has outlined plans to raise spending to around 3% — an improvement but still short of what many advocates had hoped. At his annual Labour Party conference this week, Starmer announced that a digital overhaul named NHS Online would launch in 2027, describing it as “a new chapter in the story of our NHS.”Ultimately, whatever the model, cash is key, according to Roy Lilley, who ran an NHS hospital in the 1990s as chairman of Homewood NHS Trust in Surrey, west of London.Michael Sheen, center, performing in “Nye” at London’s National Theatre. Johan Persson / National Theatre“It doesn’t matter how you pay for your health care,” said Lilley, today a consultant whose newsletter hits 300,000 inboxes. “Whether you take it out of your pocket marked ‘insurance,’ or you take it out of your pocket marked ‘taxes,’ it’s still your trousers.” He remains optimistic, however, pointing to some waiting metrics improving and a general recovery from the hammerblow of the pandemic, which drained resources and mentally scarred doctors.Still, Sheen — never shy to mix acting with activism — believes it’s no coincidence that the NHS is in crisis just when its origin story begins to vanish from living memory.“The crisis that we seem to be experiencing makes it all the more important to go back to the beginning and to look at what was behind the founding of the NHS, and what the principles were,” he said. “It becomes incredibly important to tell the story of it and to remind people of what it was actually like, so that we don’t forget.”Alexander SmithAlexander Smith is a senior reporter for NBC News Digital based in London.
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Savewith a NBCUniversal ProfileCreate your free profile or log in to save this articleOct. 5, 2025, 5:00 AM EDTBy Alexandra Marquez, Ben Kamisar and Jonathan AllenSome of the internet’s most popular voices with young men — almost all of whom either hosted President Donald Trump or spoke highly of him last November — have some thoughts on what he’s doing wrong.An all-star lineup of podcasters and YouTube impresarios has taken Trump to task in recent months on everything from immigration and Israel to free speech and Jeffrey Epstein. The list includes Joe Rogan, Theo Von, Andrew Schulz and Shawn Ryan, a cast that Trump courted heavily to win access to their audiences during last year’s campaign.Rogan and Von have been particularly critical of the Trump administration’s mass deportation agenda, with Rogan calling some deportations “f—–g crazy” and Von questioning why the Department of Homeland Security has posted videos of immigration arrests online.NBC News polling conducted in August and early September found that 33% of U.S. adults ages 18-29 approved of Trump’s handling of deportations and immigration, while 67% disapproved. Among U.S. adults of all ages, a slightly higher share — 43% — approved of the president’s handling of deportations and immigration. Schulz and his co-host, Akaash Singh, have criticized the president for not fulfilling his campaign promises.“Everything [Trump] campaigned on, I believed he wanted to do,” Schulz said in a July episode of his “Flagrant” podcast, where Trump had appeared in October 2024. “And now he’s doing the exact opposite thing of every single f—–g thing. … I voted for none of this. He’s doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for.”In particular, Schulz pointed to Trump’s failure to quickly end wars in Europe and the Middle East, the deficit spending in Trump’s budget, and the president’s deportation campaign.The White House did not return a request for comment.Theo Von slams DHS for using his video in post about deportations03:39While few of the these hosts — who tend to be less overtly political than explicitly conservative activists like the late Charlie Kirk — formally endorsed the president’s campaign, they gave him a platform to talk about sports, politics, technology, comedy and conspiracy theories with millions of viewers and listeners whose attention is usually hard for politicians to command. Republican and Democratic strategists alike have acknowledged that Trump’s willingness to engage with them helped give him a crucial boost in a hard-fought election.The recent disagreements threaten to swallow some of Trump’s support — potentially with the less politically active, harder-to-reach podcast listeners — even if it does not translate into a bigger chunk of the electorate for Democrats. Trump is ineligible to seek re-election, but Republicans hope to keep hold of the new voters who turned out for him as they battle in midterm elections next year and to maintain the presidency in 2028.During recent focus groups of 18-29-year-old Trump voters — observed by NBC News as part of the 2025 Deciders series, produced by Syracuse University and the research firms Engagious and Sago — a handful of voters said that people like Rogan and Von helped to persuade them to vote for Trump.Katelyn R., a 21-year-old Wisconsinite who identifies as a political independent, said during the focus group that Von “led me to vote” for Trump. She added that she had heard Von’s recent criticism of Trump and that she agrees with his “change of their point of view.”And while most members of the focus group said influencers aren’t changing their minds, they did echo similar criticisms in venting frustrations with Trump.“I don’t approve of how certain situations are being handled with deportation,” Katelyn R. added. “The way that these people are being treated don’t align with my Christian values, or my pro-life values, or any of the values that a conservative may have.”Richard B., a 22-year-old Republican from Pennsylvania, said he’s begun to question Trump’s fidelity to his campaign promises.“I feel like the transparency as well is an issue, not just with tariffs, but also feeling like he switched positions when talking about the Epstein files from saying it’s a huge deal to saying that ‘Oh, it’s not really a big deal,’” he said.Despite some cracks in Trump’s coalition of young men, Democrats acknowledge Trump’s continued strength — and their party’s weakness — among young men and the influencers they follow.“One thing I have seen is that there can sometimes be a connection between the fitness world and then getting into some of these podcasts and online spaces that can be very far right,” former Democratic Rep. Colin Allred, a former NFL player who ran for Senate in Texas last year and is running again in 2026, told NBC News. “And as someone who’s had to work out for a living and who still tries to stay in shape, that bothers me, because I know a lot of young men are going there genuinely hoping that they can get some advice on fitness.”“And then there’s a trust that’s built there, and then you can use that trust to then say, ‘Hey, but you should also think about, you know, why are women doing better than you are?’ I think that, to me, is really misleading and makes me a bit upset,” he added.Trump allies say that they are not concerned about differences of opinion among the voters who backed him last November.“President Trump successfully built a very big tent to be the first Republican to win the national popular vote in two decades,” said Nick Trainer, a GOP strategist who was a senior official on Trump’s 2020 campaign. “Inherently in a big tent, there are disagreements.”An NBC News Decision Desk poll powered by SurveyMonkey that was conducted in late August and early September found that 47% of men ages 18-29 “strongly” or “somewhat” approved of Trump’s job in office so far, while 53% of that group “strongly” or “somewhat” disapproved of Trump.Still, disappointment among young men, and the guys they listen to, could rob the GOP of a mechanism for turning out low-propensity voters who favor them.Late last month, Von, host of the popular YouTube show “Last Weekend” and the son of a Nicaraguan immigrant, ripped the Department of Homeland Security for using his image in an ad.“Yooo DHS i didnt approve to be used in this. I know you know my address so send a check,” Von wrote in a since-deleted post on X. “And please take this down and please keep me out of your ‘banger’ deportation videos. When it comes to immigration my thoughts and heart are alot more nuanced than this video allows. Bye!”Von went on to talk about the incident on his show last week, noting that the administration is paying attention to what he’s saying and that it was causing a backlash online.“I woke up the next morning to a text from a high government official saying, ‘Hey, if you need some extra security in your neighborhood, or some extra police cars on patrol, let me know,’” Von said. “And I’m like, ‘What? What are you talking about? Extra security? I don’t even know the code to my Ring camera.’ And then what are you going to do? What, are you just going to put police cars in my neighborhood? What are my neighbors going to think? … That really kind of shook me.”Rogan, who hosted Trump for a three-hour episode of his “Joe Rogan Experience” podcast in October and explicitly endorsed Trump days later, was one of the first podcasters to publicly break with the administration.In March, just two months after Trump was sworn in to his second term, Rogan reviewed several news reports about the U.S. deporting asylum-seekers to countries that they were not from, including one case of a gay makeup artist from Venezuela who was sent to a prison in El Salvador.“If you want compassionate people to be on board with you, you can’t deport gay hairdressers seeking asylum — that’s f—–g crazy — and then throw them in an El Salvador prison,” Rogan said.In July, Rogan again called it “f—–g crazy” that the Trump administration had detained Tufts University student Rümeysa Öztürk partially because of an editorial she had written calling on her university’s leadership to divest from companies with ties to Israel.Schulz and Von over the summer also broke with Trump over his administration’s moves to downplay the importance of the Epstein files, as well as over the administration’s continued support for Israel as it conducted its offensive in Gaza.“Obviously the intelligence community is trying to cover it up, obviously the Trump administration is trying to cover up,” Schulz said when talking about the Epstein files with his co-hosts in a July episode of “Flagrant.”“He is rebuking the base, like, almost spitting in their face. They are asking for it. He campaigned on it,” Schulz added.Meanwhile, Von’s May comments calling Israel’s attacks on Gaza a “genocide” garnered millions of views.A few weeks later, Von hosted Vice President JD Vance on his show and told him directly that the videos he was seeing from Gaza were “the sickest thing” and that “where it gets scary is that we give, you know, we’re complicit in it because we help fund, like, military stuff.”“Sometimes it feels like we look out for the interest of Israel before we look out for the interest of America,” Von added.The criticism from hosts hit a fever pitch in September when the president celebrated Disney’s decision to suspend late-night talk show host Jimmy Kimmel for remarks he made in the wake of Kirk’s assassination.“I definitely don’t think that the government should be involved ever in dictating what a comedian can or cannot say in a monologue. That’s f—–g crazy,” he said.He added that “people on the right” who were celebrating Disney’s decision were “crazy for supporting this, because this will be used on you.”Singh, the co-host of “Flagrant,” also denounced the move, saying that it was “a big attack on free speech” and criticizing conservative activists for celebrating Kimmel’s suspension.“I think we’ve been pretty staunchly in favor of free speech. And it is funny to watch right-wing people just become left-wing people. … If you agree with this, that’s some snowflake s—,” Singh added.Alexandra MarquezAlexandra Marquez is a politics reporter for NBC News.Ben KamisarBen Kamisar is a national political reporter for NBC NewsJonathan AllenJonathan Allen is a senior national politics reporter for NBC News.
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